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ID · Indonesia

Jakarta

11,135,191 residents-6.18°, 106.83°
ID · Indonesia

Surabaya

3,009,286 residents-7.25°, 112.74°

Jakarta is about 4× the size of Surabaya by population.

01 · Basics

At a glance

Population
11,135,191
3,009,286
Metro populationno data
Area (km²)
662
351
Density (per km²)no data
Elevation (m)
8
5
06 · Vibes

What locals say

Synthesized from upvoted comments on each city's subreddit.
Jakarta

Jakarta feels like a huge, constantly moving city where convenience and chaos sit side by side. People who like dense urban life praise the malls, food, transit, and the sense that the city is still raw and local rather than fully polished for tourists. The biggest frustrations are predictable: traffic, pollution, flooding, pedestrian-unfriendly streets, and the mental fatigue of getting around for ordinary errands. At the same time, many residents and visitors describe Jakarta as warm, sociable, and full of small pleasures if you can tolerate the friction.

Common complaints
  • Traffic and commuting5
  • Pollution and heat4
  • Lack of walkability and outdoors3
  • Flooding and urban disruption3
  • Social isolation and hard-to-find community3
Common praises
  • Food variety and eating out5
  • Friendly, welcoming people4
  • Big-city energy with local character4
  • Malls, transit, and modern infrastructure4
  • Nightlife and live music2

“At the first glance, Jakarta looks so promising. It has the density, warm climate, low prices, friendly locals, lack of tourists... it could be great, maybe better than Bangkok. However, in daily life, it fails over and over again, in ways which are fundamental and can't be fixed. The air is poison, literally. I get a headache after breathing it for an hour or two. The city is outright pedestrian-hostile, with worst walkability I've seen anywhere. Traffic is infamous, you aren't going anywhere easy.”

r/Jakarta· 14 votes

“Honestly, I find the city really charming. It has a kind of vibe that’s getting harder to find in Bangkok (which I love) because of overtourism. It’s not very touristy, so the experience feels more local.”

r/Jakarta· 71 votes
Surabaya

Surabaya comes across as a big, practical Java city where people organize life around malls, stations, neighborhood errands, and weekend public spaces like car-free day. The city feels busy and functional rather than scenic, with a strong local identity in the Javanese speech and a multicultural edge from being a major port and transit hub. Everyday life seems shaped by convenience and friction at the same time: good places to meet, shop, and eat are easy to find, but parking, traffic, and petty street hassles can be annoying. People also use it as a base for travel to Bromo, Malang, and Juanda airport, which reinforces the sense of Surabaya as an urban connector more than a stay-put tourist town.

Common complaints
  • Parking extortion / illegal parking attendants4
  • Traffic and getting around3
  • Not much to do at street level beyond malls and a few hubs3
  • Safety / crime / nuisance concerns3
  • Finding specific goods or services can be hit-or-miss2
Common praises
  • Weekend public life and community routines4
  • Big-city convenience and shopping access4
  • Strong identity and local color3
  • Transit and travel connectivity3
  • A few pleasant urban green/public spaces2

“Pic 1: hbs jogging di lapangan thor, langsung ke CFD di Jl. Diponegoro”

r/Surabaya· 16 votes

“Pic 4: Selepas darI CFD, satu kampung mengadai makan pagi bersama sebelum Bangun Gapura Agustusan gang Depan & Belakang (bpk2) dan Persiapan Makan Siang (ibu2)”

r/Surabaya· 16 votes
07 · Culture

Food & nightlife

Jakarta
Food

Jakarta’s food culture sounds broad, cheap-to-upscale, and deeply woven into daily routines. People mention warungs, kaki lima stalls, mall food courts, seafood, Indonesian comfort dishes, coffee, sambal, durian, and late recovery meals after a night out. Even visitors who were otherwise stressed by the city often single out the food as a major reason to come back. The overall impression is not of one signature cuisine, but of a huge city where you can eat constantly and still keep discovering new places.

Nightlife

Nightlife seems active and social, but not uniformly clubby or glamorous. One post asks for clubs where people actually mingle rather than sitting at tables, which suggests that the scene can feel segmented between open, welcoming venues and more exclusive spots. There are also mentions of live music, bossa nova, and general nightlife being “hot,” so the city clearly has options for people who want to go out, drink, and meet others. Still, it reads more as a practical big-city scene than a single, defined party district.

Surabaya
Food

The food scene looks practical and everyday rather than hype-driven: people ask about malls for bukber, hotel areas near supermarkets, and places open late, which suggests eating out is tied closely to convenience. Surabaya is the kind of city where you can likely find everything from chain dessert brands to local warungs and mall restaurants, but the posts here emphasize location and accessibility more than culinary discovery. There is some interest in heritage and local taste, yet the most visible food-related behavior is meeting friends, gathering with family, and grabbing something easy near major commercial areas.

Nightlife

Nightlife appears modest and uneven, with more demand for places open late than for a loud club scene. People ask for 24-hour spots, sports bars, and places to watch football, and one commenter specifically prefers a quieter bar over one with too much live music. That suggests Surabaya nightlife is more about socializing, screening matches, and late-night hangouts than a dense party district, and the mall-adjacent or bar-based scene likely matters more than street nightlife.

08 · Reality check

Weather vs. what locals say

Jakarta
By the numbers

How locals feel

The travel-guide version of Jakarta is hot, polluted, and rainy, and Reddit mostly confirms that—but locals often describe those conditions in more visceral terms. It is not just “humid” or “smoggy”; people talk about headaches from the air, gray haze, heavy rain, flooding, and days that feel physically draining. At the same time, the weather is folded into city identity, so rain, smog, and heat are treated as part of the deal rather than a surprise. Visitors sometimes romanticize the atmosphere, but residents tend to talk about it as one of the city’s main costs.

Surabaya
By the numbers

How locals feel

The prompt doesn’t include much direct weather talk, so the strongest impression is indirect: people plan outdoor activities like CFD, jogging, and weekend outings, which suggests the climate is part of the city’s routine rather than a constant topic. Surabaya is generally known as hot, and the lack of weather complaints here may reflect that locals treat heat as a fact of life. In practice, weather seems less like a conversation topic and more like something people work around by choosing malls, early mornings, and shaded public spaces.

09 · Summary

In short

  • Jakarta is about 4× the size of Surabaya by population.
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