Jakarta
Shanghai
Shanghai is about 2× the size of Jakarta by population.
At a glance
Weather, month by month
What locals say
Jakarta feels like a huge, constantly moving city where convenience and chaos sit side by side. People who like dense urban life praise the malls, food, transit, and the sense that the city is still raw and local rather than fully polished for tourists. The biggest frustrations are predictable: traffic, pollution, flooding, pedestrian-unfriendly streets, and the mental fatigue of getting around for ordinary errands. At the same time, many residents and visitors describe Jakarta as warm, sociable, and full of small pleasures if you can tolerate the friction.
- Traffic and commuting5
- Pollution and heat4
- Lack of walkability and outdoors3
- Flooding and urban disruption3
- Social isolation and hard-to-find community3
- Food variety and eating out5
- Friendly, welcoming people4
- Big-city energy with local character4
- Malls, transit, and modern infrastructure4
- Nightlife and live music2
“At the first glance, Jakarta looks so promising. It has the density, warm climate, low prices, friendly locals, lack of tourists... it could be great, maybe better than Bangkok. However, in daily life, it fails over and over again, in ways which are fundamental and can't be fixed. The air is poison, literally. I get a headache after breathing it for an hour or two. The city is outright pedestrian-hostile, with worst walkability I've seen anywhere. Traffic is infamous, you aren't going anywhere easy.”
“Honestly, I find the city really charming. It has a kind of vibe that’s getting harder to find in Bangkok (which I love) because of overtourism. It’s not very touristy, so the experience feels more local.”
Shanghai feels highly urban and convenient, but not always warm or easy for outsiders. Residents and visitors describe a city with cheap transit, strong food options, and impressive skyline districts, alongside real friction from language barriers, scammy dating scenes, smoky taxis, and a shrinking expat ecosystem. Day to day it can feel surprisingly calm in some places and times, with empty subways, uncrowded landmark areas, and very late-night mobility that makes the city feel usable around the clock. At the same time, people talk about a city that has changed fast: old neighborhoods, street life, and parts of the international social scene have thinned out, leaving a place that feels more polished, more local, and less carefree than before.
- Scams and predatory social scenes5
- Foreign-language friction4
- Smoky or rough taxis / transport hassles4
- Cooling expat and international business ecosystem3
- Loss of old neighborhoods and street life3
- Extreme convenience and cheap transport6
- Food variety and quality5
- Visual drama and architecture5
- Safety and walkability at odd hours4
- City energy mixed with calm pockets4
“The subway ride is less than $1 and so as uber rides. Very strange considering sky high real estate prices and income level.”
“Not as foreign tourist friendly. Cabs smell like smoke and drivers are angry. Literally had one yelling at me because my ride was priced cheaply. Be nicer to foreign visitors maybe?”
Food & nightlife
Jakarta’s food culture sounds broad, cheap-to-upscale, and deeply woven into daily routines. People mention warungs, kaki lima stalls, mall food courts, seafood, Indonesian comfort dishes, coffee, sambal, durian, and late recovery meals after a night out. Even visitors who were otherwise stressed by the city often single out the food as a major reason to come back. The overall impression is not of one signature cuisine, but of a huge city where you can eat constantly and still keep discovering new places.
Nightlife seems active and social, but not uniformly clubby or glamorous. One post asks for clubs where people actually mingle rather than sitting at tables, which suggests that the scene can feel segmented between open, welcoming venues and more exclusive spots. There are also mentions of live music, bossa nova, and general nightlife being “hot,” so the city clearly has options for people who want to go out, drink, and meet others. Still, it reads more as a practical big-city scene than a single, defined party district.
The food scene comes across as broad, convenient, and very good if you know where to look. Posts mention cheap everyday meals, late-night snacks, and easy access to delivery, while others rave about more polished dining experiences near the Bund and in central districts. At the same time, Shanghai is not portrayed as a place where language barriers disappear: reading menus can be a problem, and some of the most satisfying food appears to come from local spots that are not especially tourist-friendly. Overall it sounds like a city where food is both a daily utility and a serious pleasure, ranging from humble street-adjacent eats to high-end, theatrical restaurant experiences.
Nightlife sounds lively but somewhat changed from its peak years. Long-time residents describe a club scene that used to run very late and feel exciting, even with periodic raids and tension, while newer posts are thinner on a big, open party culture and more focused on bars, meetups, and occasional live music. The city still has a reputation for being able to go out late, but the tone is less carefree and more cautious, with scams and overcharging showing up in the social scene. In practice, nightlife seems strongest in central areas and among people already plugged into local networks.
Weather vs. what locals say
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The travel-guide version of Jakarta is hot, polluted, and rainy, and Reddit mostly confirms that—but locals often describe those conditions in more visceral terms. It is not just “humid” or “smoggy”; people talk about headaches from the air, gray haze, heavy rain, flooding, and days that feel physically draining. At the same time, the weather is folded into city identity, so rain, smog, and heat are treated as part of the deal rather than a surprise. Visitors sometimes romanticize the atmosphere, but residents tend to talk about it as one of the city’s main costs.
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People describe Shanghai’s weather as more oppressive than romantic: hot, humid summers, rain that can be nonstop, and frequent comments about how the conditions affect walking around and crowd levels. There is also appreciation for the city’s atmosphere after rain or at sunrise, when the light and emptier streets can make it feel beautiful. In other words, the weather is not praised as pleasant in a neutral, year-round sense, but it is often treated as something that sharpens the city’s moods and photography-friendly moments. The stats may say it is a major coastal metropolis, but locals and visitors seem to remember the humidity, storms, and seasonal discomfort first.
In short
- Shanghai is about 2× the size of Jakarta by population.
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